Elm critique - Random

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Sridhar Ratnakumar

cf. https://www.srid.ca/1930301.html#where-civility-falls-short

Conflicts---we are specifically referring to the affective experience of the same---may be triggered by either party. In my case, owning to my habitude of synoptic communication (result of childhood habit of reticence) the typical sequence of progression of conflict is as follows:
TheMatten

Whenever I see this "false kindness", it makes me feel uneasy - it's hard for me to carry discussion with someone who uses overly sensitive tone - I feel like they're not being honest with me and don't "believe" in me being able to talk in a polite, respectful way in case some disagreement arises. I'm trying to be kind myself to other people, though sometimes I may not choose the right words, but if disagreement arises, I would prefer (polite) honesty over fluffy responses about e.g. "difficulty of finding the right decision" or "complexity of the area". I believe that many disagreements come simply from misunderstanding and could be solved by further discussion and explanation.

Sridhar Ratnakumar

As an aside, "false kindness" reminded me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_altruism (disclaimer: I don't know much about it other than the synopsis, which stands in stark contrast to empathy/niceness/etc. as it is normally practiced these days).

Effective altruism is a philosophy and social movement that advocates using evidence and reasoning to determine the most effective ways to benefit others.[1]:2[2]:4–7 Altruism refers to improving the lives of others—as opposed to egoism, which emphasizes only self-interest.[2]:4–5[3]:12 Effectiveness refers to doing the most good with whatever resources are available—as opposed to only doing some amount of good—as well as determining what is the most good by using evidence and reasoning—as opposed to only doing what feels good or appears intuitively appealing.[2]:6–7[3]:12
TheMatten

I guess they may be sort of orthagonal - "false kindness" or "polite honesty" could both be backed by good feeling instead of rational search for most effective solution

Sridhar Ratnakumar

Oh yes. I didn't mean them to be the same, quite the opposite. "false kindness" falls under the same bucket as what is known as "feeling caring" in actualism, as distinct from "actual caring" which effective altruism might come close to (albeit in a laborious manner; because in an actual freedom this is all effortless, and becomes second nature): http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/sundry/frequentquestions/FAQ15.htm

Sridhar Ratnakumar

Tangential to this, I've started collecting these discussions in a zettel: https://haskell.srid.ca/2012701.html