haskell-friendly C programmers - Haskell

just asked a question in freenode's #mpv about my use of its C api with Haskell FFI:

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:joy:

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turns out that guy appears to be the main contributor to the project :dizzy:

now I get to feel bad for using the only player that I previously found satisfactory..

:face_palm:

yeah I'm also quite flustered as to whether I want to keep using it

maybe I should look into MovieMonad

there the maintainer seems to have to deal with users of that calibre: https://github.com/lettier/movie-monad/issues/16 :big_smile:

Huh... What can we do about that... That's problematic

I always wonder what happened to people like these, that makes them hate technology they're not even using or touching or being affected by to such an extent

Tempting to post to /r/mpv

especially since I didn't say the slightest thing that could be interpreted as critical of the quality of the project

not like Haskell is unavavoidable at every corner like some other languages

@codygman I can screenshot my entire previous conversation with someone else before that if you want to do that

note that this guy joined the channel to say this

I think you should post the whole screenshot for posterity even if nothing happens.

Sorry that happened to you

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Make a GitHub issue titled "mpv dev told me "f*k yourself ashole"" and post the screenshots in it.

GitHub issues cannot be deleted.

Having that recorded on their project is some accountability that will make them think twice before treating others like that.

it's a good idea, I only have to overcome the social anxiety :sweat_smile:

But their comments can, can't they? (I'm thinking of that actix-web "drama")

I can do it... I dislike toxic behavior going unchecked

@codygman you have my permission!

they can be deleted?

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guess they added that feature

Ahh... My information is out of date then

just Blog About It :tm:

But, I mean, it's probably not going to get removed on reddit if they have subreddit

Unless he's mod there

I think the subreddit already knows, but more evidence won't hurt https://old.reddit.com/r/mpv/comments/hnyu6a/mpv_devs_consider_blocking_mpv_from_running_on/

interesting

maybe I'll post the conversation to reddit

started by tweeting about it:
https://twitter.com/catachresthetic/status/1310632565955604480

just got verbally assaulted for using Haskell cc @travisbrown https://twitter.com/catachresthetic/status/1310632565955604480/photo/1

- ΤΗΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΗΙ (@catachresthetic)

Georgi Lyubenov // googleson78 said:

I always wonder what happened to people like these, that makes them hate technology they're not even using or touching or being affected by to such an extent

my general impression is that people hate technology that makes their skills obsolete. that could be applied to C and Haskell in a certain sense

@codygman I think you tagged the wrong account in your tweet :big_smile:

There, now it's correct and better because I tagged their competitor vlc too :laughter_tears:

awesome :heart_eyes:

@Torsten Schmits What's the context for "it works on C"? (what works on C) That's a crazy response. Did the person get angry about Haskell or ...? (just saw screenshots)

I personally use the GNOME Videos app, until it stops recognizing some video (then mpv or vlc)

it's impossible to know!

the context is that I'm using libmpv, the client api, via the C FFI in Haskell. look at the screenshots further down for details about my problem, that's what "works on C".

:big_smile:

I might look into VLC's capabilities for running it from Haskell

"Sir, may I ask what the connection is between using a programming language and fornicating with oneself?"

it would undoubtedly be very interesting to analyze this person's motivations

Just got to this. I won't flinch from saying that my heart sank when I read what happened afterward. If you're open to seeing a different way this could play out, let me know and I'll write out of band.

@Torsten Schmits

Kim-Ee Yeoh said:

Just got to this. I won't flinch from saying that my heart sank when I read what happened afterward. If you're open to seeing a different way this could play out, let me know and I'll write out of band.

I don't understand what you mean!

@Torsten Schmits Just got to this. -> I just read this.

I won't flinch from saying that my heart sank when I read what happened afterward. -> I felt sad when I read all the way to the end, from the event to response.

If you're open to seeing a different way this could play out, let me know and I'll write out of band. -> If you would like to know a different way of responding to the event, let me know. I will write to you, but not in this channel.

sure, please do!

^^ interested

small status update: the person who tried to help me with my issue found the tweet and responded with a joke about monads. they also appear to have alerted wm4 to it, because I received a PM on irc:

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so this is in response to your tweet, @codygman

so I would say that public shaming isn't a fruitful strategy here :upside_down:

ah I see they also mocked your tweet with their official account, @codygman

https://twitter.com/mpv_player/status/1313408361736609792

@codygman We will have a full board room meeting about this issue immediately, thank you for raising it.

- mpv-player (@mpv_player)

so obviously this group of devs is completely isolated from the part of the community that has started to care about conduct over the course of the decade

next time I make a product I'll simply decide not to compete with any other products, so that mine is used the most :big_smile:

yeah well it's FOSS and there's no other product in that specific market with the same feature set that I know of (VLC is targeting differently, like android and desktop GUI)

but there are users like me who don't care much about whether it's text or GUI, so for me they are competing in a way

it's true that it's probably a very small minority though

sure, but I assume that they don't care about you

they don't care about you

Unfortunately, can't argue with that.

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so, something seems to have happened!

Ouch - was something happening on MPV IRC further?

some more discussion https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/jocrln/mpv_player_creator_aka_wm4_was_apparently_kicked/

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/jocrln/mpv_player_creator_aka_wm4_was_apparently_kicked/gb7bi7p?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Ah, so it's some troll trolling... troll?

hey, cody's tweet is linked in the thread!

Gotta love Zulip topics feature.

right??

Torsten Schmits said:

ah I see they also mocked your tweet with their official account, codygman

https://twitter.com/mpv_player/status/1313408361736609792

the funniest thing is that this turned out to be somewhat close to reality :joy:

I almost want to thank them for their board room meeting but this is getting more attention than I would have liked it seems.

As I said in the reddit thread: hopefully I don't "pay" for asking for an apology.

you think he's gonna call your employer to complain? :upside_down:

Not him, but the group that holds an affinity for him maybe.