I mean the feeling/perception based stuff more. Perhaps boring Haskell advocates see something akin to the arrogance described there in their counterparts?
I couldn't help but be reminded of how often I see "language choice doesn't matter, use the right tool for the job" while reading WKHCKR.
I personally find that statement to be contradictory and silly, but find attitudes like that everywhere in the larger programming community.
It seems like my previous statement would also be classified as WKHCKR arrogance, but I don't understand how one would make good decisions in this space without it.
Just a few things on my mind I thought I'd share, I want to better understand our sort of intra-haskell views on architecture, complexity, and the principles they are grounded upon.
To be honest, I see more people writing lengthy posts about problems in Haskell community than problems themselves - if there's some sort of "arrogance" in Haskell community, it's this behaviour.
It's not "Haskellers building ivory towers" that sometimes makes me want to stop following HS community - I mostly see highly pragmatic professional Haskellers, coupled with some hobbyists building interesting stuff in their free time, which I think is completely fine - instead it's bunch of people endlessly describing everyone in this community as such.
It's not "arrogance" or disrespect or ignorance in community, it's the hostility and vocality of people accusing others of it.
One thing that makes me particularly concerned about the author is the fact that he is the author of recently announced book about software design in this apparently "soon to be dead" language and he seems to be pretty confident about it.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but this essay mostly sounds like "XXL version" of rant I keep hearing from people that never actually wrote more than few lines of Haskell.
But then I see Kowainik and HLS initiative and Cabal improvements and recent work of core maintainers / GHC developers and base docs initiative and great atmosphere on FP Slack/Zulip and I start to feel like I should try to contribute something back to this amazing community :smile:
But then I see Kowainik and HLS initiative and Cabal improvements and recent work of core maintainers / GHC developers and base docs initiative and great atmosphere on FP Slack/Zulip and I start to feel like I should try to contribute something back to this amazing community :smile:
I also have the impression that there's a lot of good things happening in the community lately.
And I haven't personally observed anyone being academically high and mighty or just an asshole, although I've read quite some accounts of misogyny, albeit that appears to have happened years ago.
This post is supposidly from the year 2030 right? Or did i misunderstand what that number meant? I think this is intended to be a warning
It's supposed to be a warning, but it presupposes some pretty negative things about Haskell and it's wider community I find false currently and see no indication in moving the direction of.
The third annual State of Haskell Survey closed a couple days ago. This post will analyze the results, graph them, and compare them to previous years (2018, 2017). I will not attempt to summarize t...
WKHCKR: https://reddit.com/comments/io3c11
I mean the feeling/perception based stuff more. Perhaps boring Haskell advocates see something akin to the arrogance described there in their counterparts?
I couldn't help but be reminded of how often I see "language choice doesn't matter, use the right tool for the job" while reading WKHCKR.
I personally find that statement to be contradictory and silly, but find attitudes like that everywhere in the larger programming community.
It seems like my previous statement would also be classified as WKHCKR arrogance, but I don't understand how one would make good decisions in this space without it.
Just a few things on my mind I thought I'd share, I want to better understand our sort of intra-haskell views on architecture, complexity, and the principles they are grounded upon.
To be honest, I see more people writing lengthy posts about problems in Haskell community than problems themselves - if there's some sort of "arrogance" in Haskell community, it's this behaviour.
It's not "Haskellers building ivory towers" that sometimes makes me want to stop following HS community - I mostly see highly pragmatic professional Haskellers, coupled with some hobbyists building interesting stuff in their free time, which I think is completely fine - instead it's bunch of people endlessly describing everyone in this community as such.
It's not "arrogance" or disrespect or ignorance in community, it's the hostility and vocality of people accusing others of it.
One thing that makes me particularly concerned about the author is the fact that he is the author of recently announced book about software design in this apparently "soon to be dead" language and he seems to be pretty confident about it.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but this essay mostly sounds like "XXL version" of rant I keep hearing from people that never actually wrote more than few lines of Haskell.
But then I see Kowainik and HLS initiative and Cabal improvements and recent work of core maintainers / GHC developers and
basedocs initiative and great atmosphere on FP Slack/Zulip and I start to feel like I should try to contribute something back to this amazing community :smile:TheMatten said:
I also have the impression that there's a lot of good things happening in the community lately.
And I haven't personally observed anyone being academically high and mighty or just an asshole, although I've read quite some accounts of misogyny, albeit that appears to have happened years ago.
(not to deny the fact that there are still underrepresented groups)
This post is supposidly from the year 2030 right? Or did i misunderstand what that number meant? I think this is intended to be a warning
Joel McCracken said:
It's supposed to be a warning, but it presupposes some pretty negative things about Haskell and it's wider community I find false currently and see no indication in moving the direction of.
Per stats, most people are happy with the Haskell community. 4% are not; and 19% feel neutral.
This was my response to re: arrogance.